explain so censorship events in more detail

Ciro Santilli 1 year ago
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** 2020-05-29 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52846679 Twitter "hides Trump tweet for 'glorifying violence'". The people elected that idiot, Twitter leftists have to swallow that.
** 2021-01-11 https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-40204808.html "Angela Merkel sees Twitter's cancelling of Donald Trump as 'problematic'"
====== Censorship of "politically incorrect speech"
<<ciro-santilli>> strongly believes that this is a problem with Wester social media. For example in <<stack-overflow-forbids-criticizing-the-character-of-genocidal-political-leaders-like-xi-jinping>> Stack Overflow forbade Ciro from saying:
I think Trump is disgusting as a person
because they thought Trump would become sad and cry.
Western governments should pass laws that prevent this kind of arbitrary political censorship by companies.
But of course as usual: <<censorship,censorship in a dictatorship like China is always a million times worse>>.
===== Western society is extremelly unequal
Exactly! And this is something <<ciro-santilli>> fights daily against through his open source contributions.
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* https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/361486/can-i-say-on-my-profile-that-i-find-that-an-ex-president-of-a-country-or-other
* https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/361493/if-a-politician-has-committed-genocide-can-i-say-on-my-profile-they-look-like-w was deleted, archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20210227034430/https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/361493/if-a-politician-has-committed-genocide-can-i-say-on-my-profile-they-look-like-w also reproduced at: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues/198#issuecomment-787047242
* answer to https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/286082/does-the-be-nice-policy-require-se-users-to-be-nice-to-people-who-are-not-se-u/361497#361497 reproduced at was deleted single-handedly by journeyman-geek without any justification https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues/198#issuecomment-787047672
Ciro was actually quite shocked by this.
The following users publicly criticized freedom of speech in that case:
He thought more people on Stack Overflow would have favored freedom of speech.
First by initiative of Stack Overflow employee https://meta.stackexchange.com/users/508266/cesar-m[Cesar Manara (Brazilian)], the sentence:
I think Trump is disgusting as a person
was removed from Ciro's profile and notified.
In response, Ciro created a meta thread to confirm that the community agreed, and they did: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/361486/can-i-say-on-my-profile-that-i-find-that-an-ex-president-of-a-country-or-other[Can I say on my profile that I find that an (ex) president of a country or other major political public figure is “disgusting as a person”?] and the community agreed with the removal: it reached only 5 upvotes and 25 downvotes. Ciro's profile at the time was linked to Trump's ban on social media: link:trump-ban-is-bad.md[].
Ciro then created https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/361493/if-a-politician-has-committed-genocide-can-i-say-on-my-profile-they-look-like-w[If a politician has committed genocide, can I say on my profile they look like Winnie-the-Pooh to insult them because they hate that?] was it was also mostly downvoted, and deleted, without any answer. Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20210227034430/https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/361493/if-a-politician-has-committed-genocide-can-i-say-on-my-profile-they-look-like-w also reproduced at: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues/198#issuecomment-787047242 The deletion voters were:
* https://meta.stackexchange.com/users/508266/cesar-m (Brazil, Stack Exchange employee, no rep)
* https://meta.stackexchange.com/users/215590/polygeo (Australia)
* https://meta.stackexchange.com/users/135565/journeyman-geek (Singapore). Site elected admin at the time, which implies that his deletion cannot be undone by non-admins. TODO are they born in Singapore? If yes they might also be pro Xi Jinping, which is a clear conflict of interest with freedom of speech.
* https://meta.stackexchange.com/users/140890/martijn-pieters (UK, lots of rep)
* https://meta.stackexchange.com/users/665544/bad-coder ("West")
Then Ciro created an answer to https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/286082/does-the-be-nice-policy-require-se-users-to-be-nice-to-people-who-are-not-se-u/361497#361497["Does the Be Nice policy require SE users to “be nice” to people who are not SE users (e.g. public figures)?"] which was somewhat considered the dupe of the previous ones. That post is reproduced at https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues/198#issuecomment-787047672 It cites the case in which the law was tested, but it was single-handedly by journeyman-geek (from Singapore) without any justification.
Ciro then finally updated his profile picture to contain <<xi-pooh-photoshop>>, archive at: https://archive.vn/iV1L8 to test the Winnie the Pooh case which people simply refused to answer. Let's see show that goes.
Other users who publicly went against freedom of speech in that case:
* https://meta.stackexchange.com/users/665544/bad-coder ("West") replied at: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/361486/can-i-say-on-my-profile-that-i-find-that-an-ex-president-of-a-country-or-other/361495#361495
Freedom of speech in social media is truly threatened by <<censorship-of-politically-incorrect-speech>>.
===== Other openly dissident users on Stack Overflow
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.Comparison image between Xi Jinping on a car in a 2015 military parade and a toy Winnie-the-Pooh on a car. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-china-blog-40627855[Source].
.Real photo of Xi Jinping edited to look like Winnie the Pooh. https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/dcabzh/this_image_of_xi_jiping_as_winnie_the_pooh_is/[Source].

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This was Ciro's Stack Overflow profile around Q1 2021, archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20210225035540/https://stackoverflow.com/users/895245/ciro-santilli-trump-ban-is-bad After censorship: https://archive.vn/9E8yh
Opinions and content are my own.
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The Chinese characters on my username and profile picture are normally censored by the Chinese government, but this had to be said.
I oppose the banning of Donald Trump and his non-violent believers/content from social media platforms such as [Facebook](https://about.fb.com/news/2021/01/responding-to-the-violence-in-washington-dc/) [Twitter](https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/suspension.html), [YouTube](https://blog.youtube/news-and-events/supporting-the-2020-us-election/) and [Amazon](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/16/how-parler-deplatforming-shows-power-of-cloud-providers.html).
After SE censorship:
[REMARK CENSORED BY Stack Exchange](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/361486).
Before SE censorship:
I feel (irrationally?) Trump is arrogant and disgusting as a person.
I like some of his anti-CCP policies, but not sure I'd vote for him.
The "USA First" stance is particularly damaging as it scares USA allies away.
I don't think there's enough evidence for the electoral fraud allegations, but I haven't researched the court cases extensively.
However, banning him opens a very dangerous precedent, making the US more like a dictatorship... more like China.
Also it's not effective. Those who were silenced will only have more motivation, and the risk of terrorism is greatly increased.
The people must decide what is true. Not big companies. Individuals must be able to express their beliefs. Bot accounts must be banned, but real individuals must not.
If you think a group of people is a bunch of idiots who believe fake news, then, tough, that's democracy for you. Maybe it means that your government is not investing enough in education and welfare to properly educate and give hope to those people.
I'm against violence.
Disclaimer: my wife does Falun Gong, I don't.